Blizzard: Retribution DPS is Too Low

I don’t even need to say anything, here is the Blizz post: [Source]

Rather than try and address multiple threads, I’m just going to plop our current thoughts in this one post. Please excuse the brevity.

1) We think Fury, Arms, Feral cat and Retribution dps is too low and we will be buffing them.

2) We think mage dps is too high, especially Fire, and will be nerfing it.

3) We think Shadow priest dps is too high, but that’s largely a result of Shadow Word: Death spam, which is tough on healers. We’ll be fixing that.

4) We think Destro warlock dps is too high, but that’s largely a result of Searing Pain spam, which is tough on tanks. We’ll be fixing that.

5) As we suspected, PvP dps is just too high given that the health pools of Cataclysm haven’t kicked in yet. While competitive PvP is over for the moment, we still want the environment to feel better so we will be buffing resilience. This change might be reverted at level 85.

There will probably be more changes after another night of raiding and BGs. Many of the bug fixes we have made today will affect dps as well. Stay tuned.


  1. Torment says:

    Thats wierd – obviously ALL AoE damage got nerfed but single target wise im pretty sure im doing more than i was previously when i pop AV/Zealotry combo. But not gonna complain make us OP!

  2. Cloudruler says:

    You should be doing more than you were……. the issue is everyone else is doing TONS more than they were and these few listed classes and specs are the only ones under par.

  3. Machariel says:

    The thing is i dont mind the new playstyle, i ll learn how to play it. I too believe that Wrath was too easy for everyone and bad players should be separated from good ones, (like BC when ppl couldnt even pass Karazhan). But the DPS hit was unreal, i would say at least 30% less than what i was used to and tried every rotation i could find here, on elitist jerks or mmo champion. Needless to say in 5-man with 2 casters in the party i m doing less dps than the tank. Max i ve managed to pull so far is about 4.8k while before i could easily pull 8-9k on the same (single) target.
    Im not gonna talk about aoe cause my heart bleeds

  4. Holystu says:

    I dinged 80 6 days ago for the first time, only started playing in June (yes still a massive noob!) and was really starting to get to grips with some decent dps. I hope blizzard buff it soon because now I suck again! Boo!

  5. JustARet says:

    I am, truly, a fan of where they were going with this but the actual execution seems poorly handled as pretty much everyone stated. I don’t wanna be one of the people to just whine about every change or new things I need to adapt my playstyle to but it also isn’t normal to do less DPS than the tank in a 5-man random with Icc 25 gear on me and I, as Machariel above me said have tried pretty much every single rotation I could. I guess reading the blue post above dismisses speculation about this finally as Blizz confirmed they hit us with the nerf bat a bit too hard. Once again, playstyle.. holy power.. less room for mistakes.. hell YES! But the dmg output.. hell no. Give us 2hp from CS at very least or give us Div Storm back in its fully glory or at least give us the old SoC back, I dont know but its obvious some changes need to be made. I am aware these changes wont reach its full potential until 85 but are they really saying to just re-roll for next two months? Great site btw Khor, big fan.

  6. Mark says:

    Unbelievable!!! They had like MORE THAN ONE YEAR to work on this new patch…. and only now they found that out!!! Stupid Blizzard!!!

  7. Gilford says:

    I feel you Machariel, i also am anguish with amount of DPS i am pulling. 5,2K was mine best and compare with i used to do…it breaks mine hearth.

  8. Ccrow says:

    I have too agree with most of the posts, the dps has gotton a bit too low, my norm 10k in a 5m has been reduced to a sad 4.8. i ve tried every rotation and spent hours at the practice dummy.Still falling short seems to be the norm. Having 264 gear head to toe just doesnt seem right when the mage next to me in 245 gear is out dpsing me by miles. Heres to hoping blizz. gets that buff to us rets soon!

  9. Tempest says:

    @Ccrow – Your doign it wrong then mate. Im runnign around with ilvl gear still in place. 5.1k GS and doing 6.2k GS on Dummies. Go download Retribution FCFS Addon and use that to get the rotation right then disable it.

  10. Triggap says:

    Just ran H FoS and did 6.5k dps average and 8k on Brohjamn. Gets a lot better once you got your items reforge and you get comfortable with your aoe and single target rotations.

    Still not as good as what I was doing before the patch but hopefully the buff will fix that.

  11. Alastrinas says:


    This is my first post on this site (love the site Dude).
    I tried ret mdps last night for the first time.
    Mixed emotions…….. I currently have 4set bonus + reasonable trinkets.
    I also resorted my excess hit to mastery and haste.
    Aoe – out the winnow in a big way – max 6k dps
    Single target – although I did 10k on the last boss of Halls of lightning .
    I was not impressesd at all. All I did was use zelatory + wings and then
    Spanned cs then TV and throw in HOW when ready.

  12. Alastrinas says:

    In addition to the above.
    I don’t believe that rets will be that viable in long battles.
    The only reason why my dps reached that level is because the boss was down even before my Zelatory finished.

    I’m not impressed with the changes.

    If the intention was to remove fcfs. It failed and made the ret look like a retard . Another thing – did anyone have issues with Exo proc’s?

  13. Sacredshade says:

    I have seen more than one pala including myself hitting 12-15k dps on bosses in ICC25 today…
    so don’t worry 🙂

  14. Gillver says:

    Honestly I am pulling about 1-2k more then I was before up to about 13k on most fights in 10 I.C.C, AoE is unbelievably high if the RNG of mastery loves you. All in all I absolutely love the changes I believe it will for lack of a better term separate the bad from the exceptional Which I think you will all agree ret has been in dire need for some time now.

  15. Gillias says:

    I seem to be suffering from the same problem as a lot of you on here. Went from doing 8k in 5 mans to just over 5k with some wind up on same bosses. While I will most likely give that Retribution FCFS addon a try just to see if my maybe my timing is off, but I wonder what those of you who are doing 10-12k are doing that is so different from the rest of us? I also wonder if Mastery is what is separating us. AS of right now I’m sitting at 0 mastery rating, giving me the baseline 8% for the hand of light proc. What is everyone else s mastery at?

  16. Chellyn says:

    some people on my server have had the weapon enchant removed and not noticed it,not sure if that has already been brought up or not
    P.S. GREAT SITE always been a big help to me

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