Retribution Paladin Glyphs
Patch 3.3: Ret Paladin Glyphs are current for Patch 3.3. Nothing has changed to our best available glyphs as a ret pally, but I will keep an eye out for future amendments and will post them here.
Glyphs in World of Warcraft have become an important part of the game. The major glyphs are considered the essential ones, especially in raiding and PvP. You can have up to 3 major glyphs equipped.
Minor glyphs are what I like to consider the cosmetic glyphs, in the sense that most of them are based on user preference, not actual need. Some minor glyphs have major functions, but others are trivial and minor, and have no affect on PvP or raiding gameplay.
Here are the main glyphs you should have as a retribution paladin:
- [Glyph of Judgement] This glyph is a must have, hands down. Judgments are vital to our dps, so don’t leave this one out.
- [Glyph of Consecration] Your second best glyph, helping conserve mana and normalizing the FCFS rotation. Think about it this way…Consecrate costs a good amount of mana, so extending its life is a way to conserve mana. In addition, by extending its duration, you are making room for stronger DPS abilities, such as Crusader Strike, Judgement, and Divine Storm.
- [Glyph of Seal of Vengeance] This gives a nice expertise boost at 10 expertise (82 rating, 2.5%). If already expertise capped, move right along to Glyph of Exorcism.
- [Glyph of Exorcism] A solid boost to DPS, even though Exorcism is at the end of our FCFS rotation.
Here are the minor glyphs, although they do not serve near the tremendous impact that the main glyphs do.
- [Glyph of Sense Undead] Extra 1% damage to Undead in ICC is excellent.
- [Glyph of Lay on Hands] The only othe semi-useful PvE minor glyph.
- [Glyph of Blessing of Might] – Will increase your personal Blessing of Might to 30 minutes, allowing you to buff other Paladins with a different Greater Blessing should the need arise.
Note: These are your best options for Ret Paladin glyphs in PvE, hands down. There’s really no argument for Glyph of Crusader Strike, Glyph of Divine Storm, or Glyph of Seal of Command. Each of those can serve purposes elsewhere, such as leveling or PvP. But to maximize your DPS potential in PvE environments, such as 5-mans and raids, you really want to stick to the list above! Happy hunting!
i really have to say no about the concecration glyph now i know that that it conserves mana and clash decisions but i personally am doing great without it and one thing u have to know about it is that when you use it it increase the time but not the damage so your doing the same amount of damage over a longer time therefore your actually losing dps
I agree with you, in that it makes the damage last longer, but still delivers the same damage. The damage is not increased. When you look at it this way, ultimately, it does appear to be a DPS loss.
However, Consecration Glyph is designed to reduce the cooldown clashing with other abilities, allowing for more frequent use of the other, higher DPS abilities in our FCFS rotation. This is what allows for a higher DPS with COncecration Glyph.
I have tested both out in raids, and I personally see a small DPS increase with the glyph. However, it’s not enough to significantly put me up or down on the DPS charts either way. The other glyph options are very sad, which would be Glyph of SoV or Glyph of SoC, so pick your poison
i like exorcism because with the way i have my bars set up i haveit to where i can do cs, judge, ds, cs, conce, exorcism, cs, judge, ds, cs, conc, and by this time i need a heal or mana so i pop a heal or arcane torrent/divine plea. so since exorcism is use alot i feal it help me to have that glyph.
Same for me. I opt for the exorcism glyph instead of the SoV glyph.
Now that the new ICC raids are out. Basically almost every enemy is classified as undead. What do you think of the Holy Wrath glyph? Decreasing the CD by 15 seconds. I know mana might be an issue but I was curious about it.
For the off-spec ret like myself who is struggling to get gear I would recommend the SoV glyph. I finally reached the hit cap but then started to notice how the lack of expertise was causing a loss in DPS, the SoV glyph somewhat helped me out here.
As Khor mentioned, having the Conscecrate glyph does free up/prolong a cooldown (otherwise used for a Conscecrate refresh), but if you cant guarantee your CS or DS will hit then you definately need to reach the Expertise cap and the SoV glyph is a good way to do that.
As an end note, Glyph of Might is nice. If like me you forget to refresh every 10mins this glyph also saves on reagents.
In response to Taddeous’s question, I tested it out in icc trash pulls and it eats more mana then it’s worth. And honestly, the cd on it (the way it is) allows for you to get mana back before casting the next 1. Ofcourse I only use holy wrath on trash pulls and festergut reason being if there’s not more the 2 mobs present it’s a waste, and festergut becuase with our rotation there are dead points where nothing is up to use just to squeeze out a lol more extra damage(and divine plea is a must if you’re using holy wrath on a boss fight).
The thing about consecration with this glyph as i have seen pally tanks use is that it increase the time it last and cd which gives 4 secs where the damage from the old consecrate and the new to overlap if u have recount and u pop cons. everytime the cd is up it will be ur biggest damage doer ( just like a tank )on huge mobs of mobs, with seal of command and DS 8-10k dps on the mobs b4 marrowgar should be real easy to obtain. Exorcism should not be used, ive hit over 12k on this trash, with out this glyph. by not wasting any GCD’s from single target attacks.
HW, cons., CS, DS and auto attack then first come first serve but mana will be an issue
Just wanted to drop a line…this site is great have a ret on wildhammer about5.4k gs and was getting out dps’ed by much lower ret pallys..reading the info her on rotation,and esp. tier bonuses
I hope to inprove my dps…again Thanks alot
need all the help I can get Panzertanker/wildhammer
Hey panzer, thanks! Glad you are enjoying the site. If there is anything further I can help with, please feel free to ask!
Hi.
I got a ret pally on Azuremyst, EU.
I’m thinking about The Conce glyph. Does the ability to time in other spells really increase DPS so much it’s worth having that glyph over Excorcism?
It just feels like having excorcism is better, since I spam it all the time. Though saving up on mana would be nice.
Hey Daumier, the consecrate glyph works very well. It does save on mana quite well in longer fights.
In regards to Exorcism, it is our lowest damaging attack, and is usually second to last on the FCFS rotation list. If you are using 2 T10, then chances are you are using it even less now.
Most people opt to glyph vengeance instead of exorcism, but personally I don’t because I am expertise capped without it. It really depends on your gear choices.
Ranks:
1) Glyph of Judgement
2) Glyph of Vengeance
3) Glyph of Consecration
4) Glyph of Exorcism
Noone using Glyph of hammer of wrath instead of Glyph of Vengeance?.
I am using Glyph of Hammer of Wrath ´cause it gives bonus dps when boss is on 20 % or less hp. We usually have BL at 20 % and using your Avenging Wrath when BL is popped together with trinkets ( If you have trinkets which you activate on your own ). Just a thought though. Would appreciate if you told me its shit or if its actually good. I am doing top dps in my guild so it cant really be that bad (c:
Ofc writing when tired is pro.. I meant glyph of avenging wrath which reduce CD on Hammer on wrath with 3 sec when you have avenging wrath active
With 2 t9 and 2 t10 set up I read consecrate is much lower on the priority list so is it time to replace that glyph?
Also I always use SOC i dont raid much but through out the 5 man dungeons I am doing 3.5k to 4.5k dps then after the last boss i drop to 3.1k or so
I have read its tough to do high dps on a single target. However if I use SOV the boss is dead too quick to really make a difference. doesn’t it take about 45 seconds for the 5 stacks to apply? So I am torn between my consecration glyph and picking up the SOV glyph
I suppose raiding would be a different story as the bosses are up longer
Glyph of Cons actuallys increases Duration of cons right from 10 to 12 secs
manacosts stay the same right?
So the dmg of the ticks isnt changing, but it adds 1 or 2 extra ticks cant say now cause I am @ work but I will test it when I am @ home
So what I wanted to say is
The glyph wont increase the dps of COns but it increases the overall dmg ^^
The glyph won’t increase/decrease your DPS, it will just help conserve mana since you will have to spam Consecration less, being the mana hog that it is.
I personally use exorcism instead since I am expertise capped and don’t have mana issues.
Granted, the retadin is one of the easiest, if not THE easiest, dps to play right now so you have to always look for any tweaks that benefit the current gear/situation. Try not to get caught up in the simplicity of our class.
Believe it or not this is my first visit to the site and I love it. Keep up the great work!
@ Zarga – In agreement 100%. The 2 major Ret glyphs that are exchangeable are GoSoV and GoEx. If you are expertise capped without the glyph, the go ahead with exorcism. If not, then your glyphs should be GoJ, GoCons, GoSoV.
So much incorrect info in these comments.
Use Judgement and Consecration glyphs no matter what, those are your two core glyphs and should never be swapped for anything. The mana conservation from the Glyph of Consecrate is secondary to the DPS increase from less GCD clashes. And even if you cast Conc less because of 2PC T10, you still benefit from it by getting 2 more ticks out of each cast, which is a DPS boost vs unglyphed. And for those thinking that it’s the same overall damage just extended over two more seconds, you are incorrect, you get the same damage per tick as you would with an un-glyphed Consecrate, with the glyph, you just get two more ticks and the CD is extended to 10 seconds. Consecrate is also not restricted to the 10 target AoE cap that was recently introduced, so if you have lots of adds (eg trash before Sindragosa) you should bump conc up on your priority.
Lastly, if you are at 22 or less expertise, use Glyph of SoV, and only swap in Exo if you get above 22 expertise. Even if you are using only 4 expertise on the Glyph, it’s still better than the minor DPS increase you get with the Glyph of Exo.
Zarga, put your Conc Glyph back in over Exo, Consecrate has a higher priority than Exo, and you will get better DPS from switching out those glyphs.
Carerra, I think you might have mis-interpretted some of the comments. Zarga replaces GoSoV with Exo because he is expertise capped without it. I do the same.
You are right, the two staples are GoCons and GoJudge. GoSoV can be replaced by GoExo ONLY if you are expertise capped with gear alone.
All your info is correct of course, but I think the general message is still there…
Zarga was replying to the comment before his about the Consecration Glyph, if my reading comprehension is accurate, he is using Exo over Conc because he doesn’t have mana issues, and that would be a mistake. He also mentions that he is expertise capped, so he is using Exo, Judgement and what else? There is only one Paladin named Zarga on wowarmory.com, and that Paladin uses Exo, Judgement, and HoW glyphs. I can only assume that is the same person.
And to be a nit picker because that’s kind of who I am, the very first comment said “one thing u have to know about it is that when you use it it increase the time but not the damage so your doing the same amount of damage over a longer time therefore your actually losing dps”
That was why I made sure to mention that you don’t do the same overall damage with conq just spread out over two more seconds (which would be a terrible, terrible glyph), it’s the same damage per tick, you just get two more for the same mana cost and the CD is increased to match the new 10 second duration.
Guess who misread the comments now?!?! LOL, sorry Carerra you are totally right. I misread that whole thing. I assumed he was talking about GoSoV and GoEx. I stand corrected, and my apologies. You are absolutely correct in your information and assessment!
No problem. The funny thing about the Consecration Glyph and T10 is that it actually becomes more valuable when you get the two piece bonus. Before that set bonus, you could have close to 100% uptime on Consecration, regardless of the cool down, the glyph didn’t increase dps through Consecration itself, it was better CD collision with the 10 second CD.
However, with T10 two piece, you will not have close to 100% uptime on Consecrate, so every time you cast it, you are actually getting a noticeable DPS increase from consecrate itself vs un-glyphed as well as the better CD collision.
So oddly, even though you might use Consecrate less, the glyph is even more attractive because of that.
Yes the consecration glyph doesnt increase damage dealt by consecrate but it does add an extra 2 global cds before you have to reapply it which is where the dps increase comes from.
Sighs said:
Also I always use SOC i dont raid much but through out the 5 man dungeons I am doing 3.5k to 4.5k dps then after the last boss i drop to 3.1k or so
when doing heroics for bosses use SoR for single target u will see ur dps stay at 4.3k overall if u do that about maybe as low as 4k
“Yes the consecration glyph doesnt increase damage dealt by consecrate but it does add an extra 2 global cds before you have to reapply it which is where the dps increase comes from.”
100% false. Glyphed consecrate vs. unglyphed tick for the exact same amount.
Also remember, the first tick on your consecration can be resisted, therefore by increasing the duration of consecration fewer ticks will be resisted resulting in a DPS increase. Also, with fewer clashes on CD’s you will actually gain up to 12 GCD’s per min (neglecting lag, reaction time and other factors and assuming 100% up-time on consecration), again resulting in a DPS increase. As mentioned above, glyph of consecration is a MUST have for ret pallys
IF this whole talk is about conserving mana without sacrificing DPS, wouldnt Glyph of Crusader Strike be good? its our fastest CD and a main attack, saving 20% mana on it everytime seems worth it to me..
The man you save is insignificant, 5% base mana would be reduced to 4%, resulting in a 1% base mana reduction, which is very underwhelming. I think this is about maximizing DPS? lol If so then using the consecration glyph will result in fewer CD clashes and more GCD’s available. This results in a net increase in DPS. And as a mentioned mobs can resist the first tick of consecration, and although it would be a minor increase the glyph would increase the damage done by consecration (fewer ticks being resisted)
I just have to say thank you for all the great info. It def helps and I feel I can advance with the toon
Is the only place to got glyphs at an auction? I’m a lvl 21 pally and do not have near enough gold to buy a glyph at this point.
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