Comments on: Retribution Paladins 4.0.1 – FAQ Compilation /retribution-paladins-4-0-1-faq-compilation/ A WoW Retribution Paladin guide with ret pally gear, leveling, pvp, raiding and stats. Retribution Paladins for World of Warcraft. Sun, 05 Aug 2012 01:21:48 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1 By: Captoats /retribution-paladins-4-0-1-faq-compilation/comment-page-1/#comment-5699 Captoats Tue, 19 Oct 2010 17:19:19 +0000 /?p=2904#comment-5699 Very good read, thank you for compiling this, I'm sure it is helping a lot of people. One thing though, from what I can tell, SoT still outweighs SoR on AoE after a certain time. I tested my dps from behind on the lvl83 dummy using only five judgements and auto attacks, hit/exp capped, with each seal, and this is what skada reported: Seal of Truth: 119k damage Censure: 38.1k total, 2.2k average hit Auto attack: 31.6k total, 2.3k average hit Judgement: 18.9k total, 3.8k average hit Seal of Truth: 17.5k total, 0.9k average hit Seals of Command: 12.9k total, 0.4k average hit Seal of Righteousness: 59.5k dmaage Auto attack: 27.4k total, 2k average hit Judgement: 16.2k total, 3.2k average hit Seal of Righteousness: 8.9k total, 0.5k average hit Seals of Command: 7k total, 0.3k average hit Seal of Righteousness (3 mobs): 91.3k damage Auto attack: only affects one target, simple 27.4k damage Judgement: only affects one target, simple 16.2k damage Seal of Righteousness: affects 3 targets, 8.9k x 3 = 26.7k damage Seals of Command: affects 3 targets, 7k x 3 = 21k damage I highly advice you to check my math and do your own tests. For single target SoT clearly outdamages SoR, but for multiple targets, SoT and SoR are kind of tied. For short pulls (ie heroics or ~30sec AoEs) SoR seems to pull ahead because there is less ramp up time. When you are AoEing for a while (ie a large pull in ICC) the passive DoT on SoT pulls it ahead sometime between the fourth and fifth judgement. So, really, it is situational. For single target burst, SoT still beats SoR because SoR is incredibly weak, barely ahead of SoJ (Aka, SoR is not the new SoComm, you can AoE with it, but not burst). If you have 3 targets to hit for a short amount of time, SoR SHOULD be more damage than SoT, but who knows. Also, one thing that I couldn't test attacking a dummy is that if the target dies with stacks on it, you could potentially lose dps because those DoT ticks that took rampup time are gone, and now you have to reapply the dots. What is your opinion on this? (I'm not trying to prove you wrong, just find out if my observation is worth noting) Second, with seal damage taking a big nerf to the face, is 4pc t10 REALLY still as good as it was? Pre patch, seal damage and judgements were huge parts of our damage, but now they are 4-5th damage, still worth potentially losing stats over for a buff? I guess this also affects TAiaJ, because it was so awesome since it worked with seal damage. Also, hit cap is now 240 for 8%, not 263 (from what I have heard), and expertise seems to be capping at 22 instead of 26, although this may just be a bug. Very good read, thank you for compiling this, I’m sure it is helping a lot of people.

One thing though, from what I can tell, SoT still outweighs SoR on AoE after a certain time. I tested my dps from behind on the lvl83 dummy using only five judgements and auto attacks, hit/exp capped, with each seal, and this is what skada reported:

Seal of Truth: 119k damage
Censure: 38.1k total, 2.2k average hit
Auto attack: 31.6k total, 2.3k average hit
Judgement: 18.9k total, 3.8k average hit
Seal of Truth: 17.5k total, 0.9k average hit
Seals of Command: 12.9k total, 0.4k average hit

Seal of Righteousness: 59.5k dmaage
Auto attack: 27.4k total, 2k average hit
Judgement: 16.2k total, 3.2k average hit
Seal of Righteousness: 8.9k total, 0.5k average hit
Seals of Command: 7k total, 0.3k average hit

Seal of Righteousness (3 mobs): 91.3k damage
Auto attack: only affects one target, simple 27.4k damage
Judgement: only affects one target, simple 16.2k damage
Seal of Righteousness: affects 3 targets, 8.9k x 3 = 26.7k damage
Seals of Command: affects 3 targets, 7k x 3 = 21k damage

I highly advice you to check my math and do your own tests.

For single target SoT clearly outdamages SoR, but for multiple targets, SoT and SoR are kind of tied. For short pulls (ie heroics or ~30sec AoEs) SoR seems to pull ahead because there is less ramp up time. When you are AoEing for a while (ie a large pull in ICC) the passive DoT on SoT pulls it ahead sometime between the fourth and fifth judgement. So, really, it is situational. For single target burst, SoT still beats SoR because SoR is incredibly weak, barely ahead of SoJ (Aka, SoR is not the new SoComm, you can AoE with it, but not burst). If you have 3 targets to hit for a short amount of time, SoR SHOULD be more damage than SoT, but who knows. Also, one thing that I couldn’t test attacking a dummy is that if the target dies with stacks on it, you could potentially lose dps because those DoT ticks that took rampup time are gone, and now you have to reapply the dots.

What is your opinion on this? (I’m not trying to prove you wrong, just find out if my observation is worth noting)

Second, with seal damage taking a big nerf to the face, is 4pc t10 REALLY still as good as it was? Pre patch, seal damage and judgements were huge parts of our damage, but now they are 4-5th damage, still worth potentially losing stats over for a buff? I guess this also affects TAiaJ, because it was so awesome since it worked with seal damage.

Also, hit cap is now 240 for 8%, not 263 (from what I have heard), and expertise seems to be capping at 22 instead of 26, although this may just be a bug.

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By: Metin /retribution-paladins-4-0-1-faq-compilation/comment-page-1/#comment-5560 Metin Mon, 18 Oct 2010 02:02:59 +0000 /?p=2904#comment-5560 A few questions here: 1) After hit cap, should I aim for 26 expertise unbuffed or with Seal of Truth active? 2) Until I get use to the new rotation, I am relying on CLCRet addon. I'm using it right out of the box. Is the default priority rotation optimal? 3) CRCRet sets up the Holy Power bar right in the middle of the screen which is nice. What addon can be used to generate a sound to indicate 3 Holy Power? I have Power Aura Classic installed but having a hard time figuring it out. And it'll be nice to generate a sound when Seal of Truth stacks 5. A few questions here:

1) After hit cap, should I aim for 26 expertise unbuffed or with Seal of Truth active?

2) Until I get use to the new rotation, I am relying on CLCRet addon. I’m using it right out of the box. Is the default priority rotation optimal?

3) CRCRet sets up the Holy Power bar right in the middle of the screen which is nice. What addon can be used to generate a sound to indicate 3 Holy Power? I have Power Aura Classic installed but having a hard time figuring it out. And it’ll be nice to generate a sound when Seal of Truth stacks 5.

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By: Khor /retribution-paladins-4-0-1-faq-compilation/comment-page-1/#comment-5555 Khor Mon, 18 Oct 2010 00:37:43 +0000 /?p=2904#comment-5555 @ Anthony, no 4T10 still beats 2T9 and 2T10...I'm just saying don't drop 2T9 until you get to 4 T10. @ Anthony, no 4T10 still beats 2T9 and 2T10…I’m just saying don’t drop 2T9 until you get to 4 T10.

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By: Tehforce /retribution-paladins-4-0-1-faq-compilation/comment-page-1/#comment-5507 Tehforce Sun, 17 Oct 2010 05:35:09 +0000 /?p=2904#comment-5507 Before you go ahead and spend 5k on 310% flying skill beware that they just added a change to the "What a long strange trip its been" meta achievement. This achievement will now reward you with 310% flying skill as well as the Violet Drake. So if you're kinda close to finishing up that meta achievement of you're not in a hurry to get the 310% flying skill, think about getting it through the achievement and save yourself 5k gold. Before you go ahead and spend 5k on 310% flying skill beware that they just added a change to the “What a long strange trip its been” meta achievement. This achievement will now reward you with 310% flying skill as well as the Violet Drake. So if you’re kinda close to finishing up that meta achievement of you’re not in a hurry to get the 310% flying skill, think about getting it through the achievement and save yourself 5k gold.

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By: Anthony /retribution-paladins-4-0-1-faq-compilation/comment-page-1/#comment-5501 Anthony Sun, 17 Oct 2010 02:02:03 +0000 /?p=2904#comment-5501 Wait...so you are saying to drop 4pc t10 for 2pc t9 and 2 pc t10? Wait…so you are saying to drop 4pc t10 for 2pc t9 and 2 pc t10?

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By: Khor /retribution-paladins-4-0-1-faq-compilation/comment-page-1/#comment-5429 Khor Sat, 16 Oct 2010 00:39:48 +0000 /?p=2904#comment-5429 @ Handera - Yep, still keeping AP enchants for now :) AP still works the same. @ Handera – Yep, still keeping AP enchants for now :) AP still works the same.

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By: Handera /retribution-paladins-4-0-1-faq-compilation/comment-page-1/#comment-5424 Handera Fri, 15 Oct 2010 23:40:03 +0000 /?p=2904#comment-5424 Hey Khor, are you still keeping your attack power enchants for now? That is, does ap still work that way? Hey Khor, are you still keeping your attack power enchants for now? That is, does ap still work that way?

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By: Powerpaly /retribution-paladins-4-0-1-faq-compilation/comment-page-1/#comment-5416 Powerpaly Fri, 15 Oct 2010 22:33:07 +0000 /?p=2904#comment-5416 @ Fulgora if you cared to read some comments you would have seen taht you can get the master flying at valiance keep with the discount and that would be Stormwind Discount @ Fulgora if you cared to read some comments you would have seen taht you can get the master flying at valiance keep with the discount and that would be Stormwind Discount

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By: Joe /retribution-paladins-4-0-1-faq-compilation/comment-page-1/#comment-5412 Joe Fri, 15 Oct 2010 21:27:44 +0000 /?p=2904#comment-5412 I'm sorry for this, but can someone please explain thar graphics concerning holy power. How do I read the bar, and what do the graphics around the target mean? I’m sorry for this, but can someone please explain thar graphics concerning holy power. How do I read the bar, and what do the graphics around the target mean?

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By: Fulgora /retribution-paladins-4-0-1-faq-compilation/comment-page-1/#comment-5400 Fulgora Fri, 15 Oct 2010 17:44:41 +0000 /?p=2904#comment-5400 Okay, question about the flying. XD What you posted, I knew. But you wrote "without rep bonus." The Dalaran trainer offers no rep bonus, despite being exalted with Kirin Tor, so I went to Outlands and the flight trainer there offers me nothing. So where is this rep discount you speak of? For the record, in OL, I went to the Honor Hold flight trainer. Okay, question about the flying. XD

What you posted, I knew. But you wrote “without rep bonus.” The Dalaran trainer offers no rep bonus, despite being exalted with Kirin Tor, so I went to Outlands and the flight trainer there offers me nothing. So where is this rep discount you speak of?

For the record, in OL, I went to the Honor Hold flight trainer.

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