Comments on: Retribution Paladin Cataclysm Changes /retribution-paladin-cataclysm-changes/ A WoW Retribution Paladin guide with ret pally gear, leveling, pvp, raiding and stats. Retribution Paladins for World of Warcraft. Tue, 28 Dec 2010 16:18:52 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.3 By: Joe /retribution-paladin-cataclysm-changes/comment-page-1/#comment-4955 Joe Sun, 03 Oct 2010 20:54:46 +0000 /?p=2306#comment-4955 Riddle me this one i just watched a clip on youtube where this pally was able to keep hitting this target dummy and his manna kept coming back in large amounts and he was doing killer dps what the crap? and this was a beta clip and and his holy power had three stages and was able to use TV and DS in like a series where he didnt lose holy power really if anything if they keep ret like that like in the beta us doing some homework we will be right back where we were in WOTLK OP!! so people say we are getting nerfed AHAHAHAHA Right! Riddle me this one i just watched a clip on youtube where this pally was able to keep hitting this target dummy and his manna kept coming back in large amounts and he was doing killer dps what the crap? and this was a beta clip and and his holy power had three stages and was able to use TV and DS in like a series where he didnt lose holy power really if anything if they keep ret like that like in the beta us doing some homework we will be right back where we were in WOTLK OP!! so people say we are getting nerfed AHAHAHAHA Right!

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By: Joe /retribution-paladin-cataclysm-changes/comment-page-1/#comment-4902 Joe Fri, 01 Oct 2010 22:27:19 +0000 /?p=2306#comment-4902 Dude i bet the rotation will be BA and when noobs try to play them they will fail and go to a hunter :) Dude i bet the rotation will be BA and when noobs try to play them they will fail and go to a hunter :)

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By: roflpaly /retribution-paladin-cataclysm-changes/comment-page-1/#comment-4849 roflpaly Tue, 28 Sep 2010 19:45:51 +0000 /?p=2306#comment-4849 Cool! no more faceroling "i hope" by palis :D but.... how will noobs play on paly if they don`t know how to spent the holy powa??? just joking i think i`l continue to play with my paly soon! TY m8 for this :) Cool! no more faceroling “i hope” by palis :D but…. how will noobs play on paly if they don`t know how to spent the holy powa??? just joking i think i`l continue to play with my paly soon! TY m8 for this :)

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By: Psychosaiyan /retribution-paladin-cataclysm-changes/comment-page-1/#comment-4676 Psychosaiyan Mon, 20 Sep 2010 22:45:57 +0000 /?p=2306#comment-4676 This video explains it all http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHggEJU6Uq0 This video explains it all
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHggEJU6Uq0

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By: Joe /retribution-paladin-cataclysm-changes/comment-page-1/#comment-4667 Joe Mon, 20 Sep 2010 18:41:25 +0000 /?p=2306#comment-4667 This Holy Power is racking my brain is a proc thing or what if someone has anything please post The question is how do we get holy power in Cata Thanks This Holy Power is racking my brain is a proc thing or what if someone has anything please post The question is how do we get holy power in Cata Thanks

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By: Psychosaiyan /retribution-paladin-cataclysm-changes/comment-page-1/#comment-4619 Psychosaiyan Fri, 17 Sep 2010 22:47:06 +0000 /?p=2306#comment-4619 Oh oops i just realized i made an error on my post on the YN's section. some are a bit off, but the math is still good. It is essentially a binary counting system so that looks something like this: 00000 00001 ----------Above here is chance with 1 Target 00010 00011 00100 00101 00110 00111 ----------Above here is chance with 2 Targets (including 1) 01000 01001 01010 01011 01100 01101 01110 01111 ----------Above here is chance with 3 Targets (including 2,1) 10000 10001 10010 10011 10100 10101 10110 10111 11000 11001 11010 11011 11100 11101 11110 11111 ----------Above here is chance with 4 Targets (including 3,2,1) you can continue on your own :) That is at a 50% chance rate, but lower the value you get by 20% ( 20% of 50 is 10 so 50% proc is lowered to 40%) The Formula for the different proc rates is this: assume "n" is the number of targets One Holy Power Chance [2^(n) - 1] -------- x 0.8 when n > 1 2^n Two Holy Power Chance {[2^(n)] - [2^(n-1)] - 1} ------------------- x 0.8 when n > 2 2^n Three Holy Power Chance {[2^(n)] - [2^(n-1)] - [2(n-2)] - 1 } --------------------------- x 0.8 when n > 3 2^n hope this helps Khor, and got to give a shout out for this awesome sight! I started my ret back in April and have loved it ever since! I had been looking for a site like this forever and stumbled across this one a couple of weeks ago and it has really helped me out :) Oh oops i just realized i made an error on my post on the YN’s section. some are a bit off, but the math is still good. It is essentially a binary counting system so that looks something like this:

00000
00001
———-Above here is chance with 1 Target
00010
00011
00100
00101
00110
00111
———-Above here is chance with 2 Targets (including 1)
01000
01001
01010
01011
01100
01101
01110
01111
———-Above here is chance with 3 Targets (including 2,1)
10000
10001
10010
10011
10100
10101
10110
10111
11000
11001
11010
11011
11100
11101
11110
11111
———-Above here is chance with 4 Targets (including 3,2,1)

you can continue on your own :)

That is at a 50% chance rate, but lower the value you get by 20% ( 20% of 50 is 10 so 50% proc is lowered to 40%)

The Formula for the different proc rates is this: assume “n” is the number of targets

One Holy Power Chance

[2^(n) - 1]
——– x 0.8 when n > 1
2^n

Two Holy Power Chance

{[2^(n)] – [2^(n-1)] – 1}
——————- x 0.8 when n > 2
2^n

Three Holy Power Chance

{[2^(n)] – [2^(n-1)] – [2(n-2)] – 1 }
————————— x 0.8 when n > 3
2^n

hope this helps Khor, and got to give a shout out for this awesome sight! I started my ret back in April and have loved it ever since! I had been looking for a site like this forever and stumbled across this one a couple of weeks ago and it has really helped me out :)

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By: Khor /retribution-paladin-cataclysm-changes/comment-page-1/#comment-4609 Khor Fri, 17 Sep 2010 02:04:41 +0000 /?p=2306#comment-4609 Psycho, excellent info m8! Thanks for posting. I'm hashing over your numbers right now, especially on the AoE stuff. With Divine Storm's damage more powerful since they reversed the previous nerf, I believe we still may be have high DPS AoE. That's IF we don't run into mana issues with Consecrate. Psycho, excellent info m8! Thanks for posting. I’m hashing over your numbers right now, especially on the AoE stuff. With Divine Storm’s damage more powerful since they reversed the previous nerf, I believe we still may be have high DPS AoE. That’s IF we don’t run into mana issues with Consecrate.

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By: Psychosaiyan /retribution-paladin-cataclysm-changes/comment-page-1/#comment-4585 Psychosaiyan Thu, 16 Sep 2010 05:14:45 +0000 /?p=2306#comment-4585 when it says on Seal of Righteousness splash over, I meant to two targets and I know its a long post, but I had to throw in my two bits to see how much you guys would rip up my post ;) when it says on Seal of Righteousness splash over, I meant to two targets and I know its a long post, but I had to throw in my two bits to see how much you guys would rip up my post ;)

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By: Psychosaiyan /retribution-paladin-cataclysm-changes/comment-page-1/#comment-4584 Psychosaiyan Thu, 16 Sep 2010 05:12:50 +0000 /?p=2306#comment-4584 Well from what I have read here and on MMO, the talent Divine Purpose will help with our AoE. I don't know what it is currently in Beta, but according to MMO (9/15/10) it says that at 2 ranks, Judgement, Exorcism, Templar's Verdict, Divine Storm, Inquisition, and Holy Wrath all have a 40% chance to generate Holy Power. So here is what I am thinking... To make math simpler, lets just say its a 50% chance to proc Y = DS did proc, N= DS did not proc so we have a 1/2, or 50% chance of getting one HP per target hit by DS with one target, we have 2 possibilites of a proc YN - either it does or it doesn't with two targets, we have 4 possibilites YY, YN, NY, NN - so we have a 50% chance to get 1 HP, and 25% chance to get combined, against two targets, we have a 75% chance to get at least one HP against 3 targets we have 8 possibilities YYY, YYN, YNN, NNN, NYN, NYY, NNY, NYN so out of the eight, 7 of them have a possibility of getting us at least one HP, or 84.5% 3 / 8 , or 34.5% have a chance of giving us 2 HP 1 / 8 , or 12.5% have a chance of giving us 3 HP so basically, as the number of targets goes up, the usage of full blown DS's goes up where as with TV, we get a static "50%" chance of getting HP *Its been a long time since stats, but someone correct me if I am wrong anywhere **Also, I'm a lazy college student and if you want the actually % chance of procs, just subtract ~20% of the values from above from itself, like 20% of 50 is 10%, so you get 40% chance of actual proc as is now in Beta As of right now Crusader Strike has a 4 second CD, and in Cata it is raised to 4.5 seconds, but lowered by haste. In one Blue post, they said the rotation for Ret seemed to need about a 3 second CD, but higher for other specs. So we could see more CS hits, that are harder and generate holy power for more harder hitting DS's I believe the biggest change to our AE DPS will be Seals of Command. It now a talent we get, which modifies Seal of Righteousness and Seal of Truth. On BOTH Seals, each swing now causes 7% additional wep damage, and Seal of Righteousness will allow the Holy damage to splash over. Seals of Command currently does ~36% wep damage as holy damage, and the holy damage hits 2 additional targets. In my experience, Seal of Command procs off CS and White damage, which is what gives us our huge AE dps. With Seals of Command changed so much, that could be the bigger change in our AE dps than DS. Don't quote me, but I believe it is possible that against more targets, we may actually have higher DPS, simply because we can get more DS's off at full HP and it will hit harder because more targets, and with 3 HP have 40% more wep damage added I know this is an older Beta Build, but it does explain how HP works pretty well, and how DS could keep us up in AE dps http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHggEJU6Uq0 Well from what I have read here and on MMO, the talent Divine Purpose will help with our AoE. I don’t know what it is currently in Beta, but according to MMO (9/15/10) it says that at 2 ranks, Judgement, Exorcism, Templar’s Verdict, Divine Storm, Inquisition, and Holy Wrath all have a 40% chance to generate Holy Power.

So here is what I am thinking…

To make math simpler, lets just say its a 50% chance to proc
Y = DS did proc, N= DS did not proc

so we have a 1/2, or 50% chance of getting one HP per target hit by DS

with one target, we have 2 possibilites of a proc

YN – either it does or it doesn’t

with two targets, we have 4 possibilites

YY, YN, NY, NN – so we have a 50% chance to get 1 HP, and 25% chance to get
combined, against two targets, we have a 75% chance to get at least one HP

against 3 targets we have 8 possibilities

YYY, YYN, YNN, NNN, NYN, NYY, NNY, NYN

so out of the eight, 7 of them have a possibility of getting us at least one HP, or 84.5%
3 / 8 , or 34.5% have a chance of giving us 2 HP
1 / 8 , or 12.5% have a chance of giving us 3 HP

so basically, as the number of targets goes up, the usage of full blown DS’s goes up where as with TV, we get a static “50%” chance of getting HP

*Its been a long time since stats, but someone correct me if I am wrong anywhere

**Also, I’m a lazy college student and if you want the actually % chance of procs, just subtract ~20% of the values from above from itself, like 20% of 50 is 10%, so you get 40% chance of actual proc as is now in Beta

As of right now Crusader Strike has a 4 second CD, and in Cata it is raised to 4.5 seconds, but lowered by haste. In one Blue post, they said the rotation for Ret seemed to need about a 3 second CD, but higher for other specs. So we could see more CS hits, that are harder and generate holy power for more harder hitting DS’s

I believe the biggest change to our AE DPS will be Seals of Command. It now a talent we get, which modifies Seal of Righteousness and Seal of Truth. On BOTH Seals, each swing now causes 7% additional wep damage, and Seal of Righteousness will allow the Holy damage to splash over.

Seals of Command currently does ~36% wep damage as holy damage, and the holy damage hits 2 additional targets. In my experience, Seal of Command procs off CS and White damage, which is what gives us our huge AE dps. With Seals of Command changed so much, that could be the bigger change in our AE dps than DS.

Don’t quote me, but I believe it is possible that against more targets, we may actually have higher DPS, simply because we can get more DS’s off at full HP and it will hit harder because more targets, and with 3 HP have 40% more wep damage added

I know this is an older Beta Build, but it does explain how HP works pretty well, and how DS could keep us up in AE dps http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHggEJU6Uq0

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By: Xayos /retribution-paladin-cataclysm-changes/comment-page-1/#comment-4480 Xayos Sat, 11 Sep 2010 13:20:19 +0000 /?p=2306#comment-4480 To me it looks like Blizz is throwing some rogue talents to the paladin, with the Inquisition being similar to slice and dice and of course the somewhat combo point system. Furthermore, I notice that everyone is talking about how the divine storm nerf is going to hurt are dps? With DS doing additional damage for each holy power (unless something got changed) and the same with Templar's Verdict I would think DS should be completely taken out of our rotation for single target. Are AoE wont be nearly as good but with TV doing 225% weapon damage are single target is getting a large nuke. To me it looks like Blizz is throwing some rogue talents to the paladin, with the Inquisition being similar to slice and dice and of course the somewhat combo point system. Furthermore, I notice that everyone is talking about how the divine storm nerf is going to hurt are dps? With DS doing additional damage for each holy power (unless something got changed) and the same with Templar’s Verdict I would think DS should be completely taken out of our rotation for single target. Are AoE wont be nearly as good but with TV doing 225% weapon damage are single target is getting a large nuke.

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