Comments on: Ret Paladins Cataclysm Beta Build 12604

By: RetriLovaar

RetriLovaar — Mon, 23 Aug 2010 15:08:36 +0000

Seal of Pursuit and that Long arms skill actually stack for 145% ^^ no need for a snare with that sorta speed buff

By: pallynagy

pallynagy — Wed, 04 Aug 2010 07:19:05 +0000

hi there again…..
about gap closing……see this thread
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=26262870492
and you will know why i concerned about getting a gap closer…..losing cleanse….we would have very VERY low uptime on our targets…and our new holy power scenario needs us to have a big uptime on our targets….and its stupid if we are most kitable while we need to have a big uptime
i think a good idea for this crisis is an improved repentance

Improved Repentance : Reduces the cool down of your repentance ability by 50%.in addition,when repentance wears off the target or is dispelled….the target is dazed for 15 secs

thats because we really need a gap closer and a snare with the new holy power system…which will make us as a cat dudu but without feral charge or even infected wounds…and WHY? just bec we wear plate?
thats useless in many situations…i dont mean i dont like plate…but making us a plated cat that cant reach its target is LAME

thanks,
Pallynagy

By: Pheonera

Pheonera — Mon, 02 Aug 2010 20:48:39 +0000

@Pallynaggy
The Swift Ret buff is just a swing/shoot timer decrease. it works with haste on the Melee/hunter side of things but does nothing for casters in the terms of quicker cast times or cool downs, and isn’t tied to the new regen systems. The Inquisition being exclusive with Holy Shield thing…no clue. the only guess i can think is that it means if you have/had Holy Shield on your self you cant have Inquisition running at the same time.

Also Kor with the insane amount of mana we are getting right now (mine has gone 5.9k unbuffed to 13k from lvl 80 to 83), the the damage Holy Wrath Deals in single targets is pretty darn useful, specially if you waiting on say CS’s cd inorder to have enough hp to trigger a worth while TV or Inquisition.

By: pallynagy

pallynagy — Mon, 02 Aug 2010 19:55:43 +0000

hi again…..thanks for the response holyway
for the gapcloseing thing…i didnt mean to say “charge plx”…and i also hate homogenization…..but if we say repentance/ hand of freedom is our gapcloser….then i have two thoughts about this…the first being that repentance’s cooldown should be reduced in half AT LEAST to be as a gapcloser…i know it does other things like ranged interrupt…but 1 minute cd is crap if we think about it as a gapcloser -.-…..while the second is about hof….i should say that most of those who we need to keep in melee range with already have dispels…..and yes…the answers you posted as answers to this are really good….but about them……a 50% reduced dispel chance will only make the dispeller try to spam dispel until dispelled…and i dont think that will take long of him…..while making dispels costy wont really change it….since a costy dispel every 20 sec still wont OOM him…..so…..i think they should switch it to physical abiliy that couldnt be dispelled
about art of war…..will resil no longer reduce crit chance? then thats why…i didnt know that
before i click submit comment…..can u answer my questions about swift ret and Inquisition i made in my previous post?

Thanks,
Pallynagy

By: Holyway

Holyway — Mon, 02 Aug 2010 07:41:00 +0000

Dear Pallynagy

I don’t think an actualy gap closer ability is needed for ret pallies, it would look like a homogenisation. Our gap closer should still be repentance/hand of freedom, and the only thing we need is a less dispellable (say 50% dispell resisitance) on hand of freedom, or, making the offensive dispell mechanics cost extreme amounts of mana, making the enemy much less willing to dispell.

And on the 15% Art of war – no, it wont be less useful. Making it 100% proc on melee crits would be insane in pvp, as resilience will no longer decrease the crit chance. The 15% “new proc chance” is just right, moreover, it will only affect exo tho, so its more than enough i think (will proc less, but only the long cd spell will be linked to it).

By: pallynagy

pallynagy — Sun, 01 Aug 2010 17:47:37 +0000

hey guys….
first..i do like the changes….but i am with retpal that we need a gap closer as he posted….i also like holy power…..although it will be really near to a rogue/cat form ….however…but better for me
anyway….i wanna ask some questions…..

now with Art of war having 15% chance to only proc on melee attacks… i think it has lost now most of its bright…since it was 100% proc on critical melee attacks…i know they increased the crit damage…and iam happier with this …but i mean…doesnt that makes it a lot useless now?

also….does Swift retribution’s increased speed act like a weaker,but passive, blood lust/heroism?….i wanna know that

and at last…..i have retpal’s same question…….
whats the meaning of Inquisition being exclusive to holy shield?

thanks
Pallynagy

By: Holyway

Holyway — Sat, 31 Jul 2010 08:34:57 +0000

and yes, stun-remove is lost, also cleanseing magic, but judgement will give a bit of a snare.

By: Holyway

Holyway — Sat, 31 Jul 2010 08:33:20 +0000

“although i heared Avenger’s shield will be a baseline skill?……with its dazing effect…..we may only need the jump and remove movement imp effects of it..(although we will need to have a shield ready with us….but thats not really a concern )”

false.. only for prot pallies

By: retpal

retpal — Fri, 30 Jul 2010 21:59:20 +0000

hey there…
i like the changes….but with rebuke in melee range…and thanks to the cleanse nerf…..it will be deadly hard to keep in melee range in pvp…..especially vs a frost mage…..so whats the big idea?…
yes, its an interrupt…thanx…but hardly being able to use it wont help…..i would have liked more the idea of repentance being our interrupt (ofc with reducing its cd to 10 sec….not 60 sec it is)
or..there is another solution….as we already lack a REAL snare AND a gap closer…they could add something like this(….although some ppl may not like it…or have another ideas….)

Leap of Justice :immediately jump at the target with a will of holy justice,removing any movement imparing effects on you,and dazes your target for 15 seconds
25 sec cooldown

this ……although i heared Avenger’s shield will be a baseline skill?……with its dazing effect…..we may only need the jump and remove movement imp effects of it..(although we will need to have a shield ready with us….but thats not really a concern )

also……we will have no longer a stun-remove?
that means we will have bad vs rogues….especially with the hp increase they will get in cata

by the bye…..whats the meaning of Inquisition exclusive to holy shield?

thanks

By: Holyway

Holyway — Thu, 29 Jul 2010 14:05:00 +0000

Yep, i like the new changes too, especially the Holy Power resource, and the uses for it.

Ive build a talent plan, too for pvp, using Khor’s basic pve build… http://cata.wowhead.com/talent#sZcrMZcIGMkRbRsk However, without seeing them in work, its very hard to judge witch abilities will be useful, and what will be totally useless…

The only thing im still worried about is the mobility issue… if we lose cleanse, and buff dispell resistance, i dont really know what options will be left for us when fighting ranged classes… hope they find out something to solve this.