Comments on: Ret Input Needed /ret-input-needed/ A WoW Retribution Paladin guide with ret pally gear, leveling, pvp, raiding and stats. Retribution Paladins for World of Warcraft. Sun, 05 Aug 2012 01:21:48 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1 By: Bee_Boo /ret-input-needed/comment-page-1/#comment-8988 Bee_Boo Tue, 28 Dec 2010 07:49:29 +0000 /?p=3754#comment-8988 Just one small observation about AW macro, its better to pop Guardian before AW, because of its duration (30s and AW has only 20s) and in my opinion if AW its popped i have to try maximize my time on target and not wasting precious buff on popping my other abilities. If this is by any mean wrong, correct me please. And sry for engrish. Just one small observation about AW macro, its better to pop Guardian before AW, because of its duration (30s and AW has only 20s) and in my opinion if AW its popped i have to try maximize my time on target and not wasting precious buff on popping my other abilities. If this is by any mean wrong, correct me please.

And sry for engrish.

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By: Boogieknight /ret-input-needed/comment-page-1/#comment-8821 Boogieknight Sun, 26 Dec 2010 03:38:20 +0000 /?p=3754#comment-8821 My average item level is hovering in the mid 330's, I've reforged my mastery into hit anywhere I could and I'm currently hit capped. ~9% haste, ~6-7% crit, and whatever mastery is left from reforging. My biggest hurdle on DPS is that I'm still having trouble getting away from having to triage my holy power. Having to decide whether I should put Inquisition back up, use Templar's Verdict, or heal the tank/healer who just took 50% of their max health in one hit is getting very situational and I don't like it. A dead DPS is no DPS, but a dead tank/healer is pretty much a dead DPS. At what point can I stop backup healing and just DPS? My group runs with a resto druid and mana issues abound. If it wasn't for WoG some times we'd never kill anything. My average item level is hovering in the mid 330′s, I’ve reforged my mastery into hit anywhere I could and I’m currently hit capped. ~9% haste, ~6-7% crit, and whatever mastery is left from reforging.

My biggest hurdle on DPS is that I’m still having trouble getting away from having to triage my holy power. Having to decide whether I should put Inquisition back up, use Templar’s Verdict, or heal the tank/healer who just took 50% of their max health in one hit is getting very situational and I don’t like it. A dead DPS is no DPS, but a dead tank/healer is pretty much a dead DPS. At what point can I stop backup healing and just DPS?

My group runs with a resto druid and mana issues abound. If it wasn’t for WoG some times we’d never kill anything.

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By: Captoats /ret-input-needed/comment-page-1/#comment-8760 Captoats Sat, 25 Dec 2010 09:07:31 +0000 /?p=3754#comment-8760 TB - Whoever has the most bases at the end of the allowed time. Actually puts offense at a little advantage, but that is actually preferred imo, gets the ownership switched up more often. i346 dps - I'm averaging 13k as a minimum at an i343 (mostly ungemmed and unenchanted) on heroic boss fights. 7.91%hit, 15exp, 1756haste, 1066crit, 487mastery. I spike up to 17-20k towards the beginning of a fight, then it slowly averages out to ~13-15k at the end. Wings+pet at the beginning, save zeal for BL/TW. Start a fight with Salv > Wings+pet+HoW > J > (inq if HoL/DP proc) > CS > inq if i didn't already > normal priority. Normal priority is Inq > HoW > Exo > TV3hp > CS > J > HW, don't bother with consec, huge mana dump. For undeads/demons, switch exo/how. Don't let Inq fall off, even if you have to pop in a 1hp inq, 30% increase to ~60% of our damage. For AoE situations, CS is almost always better than DS. Sadly, our cleave is weak. Also, I've noticed a lot of people having trouble with zealotry. When you use zealotry, your fcfs is STILL just CS > TV etc even though haste isn't capped. The only exceptions are if inq is wearing off, you get an AoW proc, an HoL proc or you can use HoW. If CS is up and you have one of the four exceptions above, you should use CS, then the exception, then TV. This way, there is no down time. If you use that exception immediately instead, you will be doing Exception > CS > TV > nothing > CS > TV. By doing CS > Exception > TV > CS > TV, you will be using every GCD. @cfeduke, don't try mastery. a proc based system will never outweigh a solidified stat. TB – Whoever has the most bases at the end of the allowed time. Actually puts offense at a little advantage, but that is actually preferred imo, gets the ownership switched up more often.

i346 dps – I’m averaging 13k as a minimum at an i343 (mostly ungemmed and unenchanted) on heroic boss fights. 7.91%hit, 15exp, 1756haste, 1066crit, 487mastery. I spike up to 17-20k towards the beginning of a fight, then it slowly averages out to ~13-15k at the end. Wings+pet at the beginning, save zeal for BL/TW. Start a fight with Salv > Wings+pet+HoW > J > (inq if HoL/DP proc) > CS > inq if i didn’t already > normal priority. Normal priority is Inq > HoW > Exo > TV3hp > CS > J > HW, don’t bother with consec, huge mana dump. For undeads/demons, switch exo/how. Don’t let Inq fall off, even if you have to pop in a 1hp inq, 30% increase to ~60% of our damage.

For AoE situations, CS is almost always better than DS. Sadly, our cleave is weak.

Also, I’ve noticed a lot of people having trouble with zealotry. When you use zealotry, your fcfs is STILL just CS > TV etc even though haste isn’t capped. The only exceptions are if inq is wearing off, you get an AoW proc, an HoL proc or you can use HoW. If CS is up and you have one of the four exceptions above, you should use CS, then the exception, then TV. This way, there is no down time. If you use that exception immediately instead, you will be doing Exception > CS > TV > nothing > CS > TV. By doing CS > Exception > TV > CS > TV, you will be using every GCD.

@cfeduke, don’t try mastery. a proc based system will never outweigh a solidified stat.

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By: cfeduke /ret-input-needed/comment-page-1/#comment-8752 cfeduke Sat, 25 Dec 2010 06:44:39 +0000 /?p=3754#comment-8752 Definitely find Raedos' macro useful. I've been doing those keypresses manually so far and if its something FCFS needs less of its key presses. Going to incorporate that into what I've been doing. I am running with Crit 1710, Haste 1032, Mastery 683, Hit capped, Expertise at 25 with SoT. My gemming is anything but ideal at this point (greens I used to level with, and with no valid meta choice at this time...). I am reforging hit overages into haste and have reforged mastery into haste, so hit/exp/haste/crit/mastery presently. That being said I average 10K DPS in heroics, or about 14K on most heroic boss fights (when I can stand still long enough to not screw up FCFS). On Magmaw I was able to get up to about 17K, though our last kill for Halfus my DPS was just plain atrocious (13665 - 7th overall - but compare to our MT warrior @ 18272 and 3rd overall - a little depressing). Previously I played around with prioritizing mastery over all other stats after hit/expertise capping. It was a fair number of procs as you'd expect. In 5 mans I was about 9K at the time but I've since had substantial gear upgrades. I may try this again as an experiment. Since Templar's Verdict is 17% of my damage and my highest damaging attack at my present mastery level I am curious to see what re-prioritizing mastery would do. I'm going to guess probably a DPS loss but perhaps worth trying at least to verify this. Definitely find Raedos’ macro useful. I’ve been doing those keypresses manually so far and if its something FCFS needs less of its key presses. Going to incorporate that into what I’ve been doing.

I am running with Crit 1710, Haste 1032, Mastery 683, Hit capped, Expertise at 25 with SoT. My gemming is anything but ideal at this point (greens I used to level with, and with no valid meta choice at this time…). I am reforging hit overages into haste and have reforged mastery into haste, so hit/exp/haste/crit/mastery presently.

That being said I average 10K DPS in heroics, or about 14K on most heroic boss fights (when I can stand still long enough to not screw up FCFS). On Magmaw I was able to get up to about 17K, though our last kill for Halfus my DPS was just plain atrocious (13665 – 7th overall – but compare to our MT warrior @ 18272 and 3rd overall – a little depressing).

Previously I played around with prioritizing mastery over all other stats after hit/expertise capping. It was a fair number of procs as you’d expect. In 5 mans I was about 9K at the time but I’ve since had substantial gear upgrades. I may try this again as an experiment.

Since Templar’s Verdict is 17% of my damage and my highest damaging attack at my present mastery level I am curious to see what re-prioritizing mastery would do. I’m going to guess probably a DPS loss but perhaps worth trying at least to verify this.

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By: Rolanor /ret-input-needed/comment-page-1/#comment-8730 Rolanor Fri, 24 Dec 2010 23:14:00 +0000 /?p=3754#comment-8730 With Cata changing so much stuff and stat priorities I have heard reports of haste>crit and crit>haste. I personally go for more haste, and I get 16-17k on a stand-still fight like Argaloth (ilvl 350). I have not extensively tested a crit build or mastery build. Haste is at 1796, crit 1279, mastery 277, hit and exp capped. I'll follow this discussion, I'm really interested by what will become best stat! With Cata changing so much stuff and stat priorities I have heard reports of haste>crit and crit>haste. I personally go for more haste, and I get 16-17k on a stand-still fight like Argaloth (ilvl 350). I have not extensively tested a crit build or mastery build. Haste is at 1796, crit 1279, mastery 277, hit and exp capped.

I’ll follow this discussion, I’m really interested by what will become best stat!

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By: Darthal /ret-input-needed/comment-page-1/#comment-8720 Darthal Fri, 24 Dec 2010 20:14:33 +0000 /?p=3754#comment-8720 Raedos does basically the same thing as me, I have 900 mastery and i am finding it more and more useful, definitely more useful than haste at higher levels, I'd say it has an exponential effect. Raedos does basically the same thing as me, I have 900 mastery and i am finding it more and more useful, definitely more useful than haste at higher levels, I’d say it has an exponential effect.

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By: Geddyn /ret-input-needed/comment-page-1/#comment-8713 Geddyn Fri, 24 Dec 2010 18:02:48 +0000 /?p=3754#comment-8713 Easy way to make Tol Barad more balanced: - The attackers must control two of the three towers in order to start a 10 minute victory timer. - While the timer is active, the defenders can attempt to retake the towers held by the attackers. If they succeed, the timer is reset until the attackers regain control of two towers. - If the timer expires or the attackers capture the third tower, the attackers win. Easy way to make Tol Barad more balanced:

- The attackers must control two of the three towers in order to start a 10 minute victory timer.
- While the timer is active, the defenders can attempt to retake the towers held by the attackers. If they succeed, the timer is reset until the attackers regain control of two towers.
- If the timer expires or the attackers capture the third tower, the attackers win.

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By: Khor /ret-input-needed/comment-page-1/#comment-8711 Khor Fri, 24 Dec 2010 17:43:36 +0000 /?p=3754#comment-8711 That's awesome, Raedos, thank you! That’s awesome, Raedos, thank you!

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By: Raedos /ret-input-needed/comment-page-1/#comment-8710 Raedos Fri, 24 Dec 2010 17:30:47 +0000 /?p=3754#comment-8710 I avg around 14k a boss fight, upwards to 17-19k in fights where there's very little movement. My avg ilvl is 350, my mastery is 853, haste is 1185, crit is 1642. I have reforged most of my stuff to hit and crit, and I use Whitefin Axe with berserking enchant. I made a few macros that I think help alot and ill share them; #showtooltip Avenging Wrath /cast Avenging Wrath /cast Hammer of Wrath /use Figurine - King of Boars (your trinket if you have one to pop) /cast Guardian of Ancient Kings /startattack #showtooltip Zealotry /cast Zealotry /cast Templar's Verdict /startattack #showtooltip Holy Wrath /castsequence reset=14 Holy Wrath, Consecration /startattack I would start a boss fight by building up my SoT to 5 stacks then getting off a 3hp Inquisition, then right after hitting my AW macro twice so HoW goes off right as AW is cast(so you can get 4 HoW casts off with the AW duration) , and casting zealotry right after AW ended in Zealotry I prioritize (IQ @ 1s or less > TV > Exo > CS), then normally I prioritize (IQ 3HP @ 5s or less > HoW > TV @ 3HP > Exo > CS > Judge > HW > Conc) I count HoL proc as hitting 3HP aswell. I found that with AW duration if you dont get a HoW off right off the start of the timer you can only get 3 off, so the first macro helps with being fast, and I believe thats the time GoAK will give the greatest dps increase. 2nd macro helps casting a TV right after Zealotry so no time is wasted, and the 3rd macro just makes Aoeing easier by putting HW and conc on the same button if your running out of space for hotkeys like me. Thats all I have to share about what I do when Dpsing. I avg around 14k a boss fight, upwards to 17-19k in fights where there’s very little movement.

My avg ilvl is 350, my mastery is 853, haste is 1185, crit is 1642.
I have reforged most of my stuff to hit and crit, and I use Whitefin Axe with berserking enchant.

I made a few macros that I think help alot and ill share them;

#showtooltip Avenging Wrath
/cast Avenging Wrath
/cast Hammer of Wrath
/use Figurine – King of Boars (your trinket if you have one to pop)
/cast Guardian of Ancient Kings
/startattack

#showtooltip Zealotry
/cast Zealotry
/cast Templar’s Verdict
/startattack

#showtooltip Holy Wrath
/castsequence reset=14 Holy Wrath, Consecration
/startattack

I would start a boss fight by building up my SoT to 5 stacks then getting off a 3hp Inquisition, then right after hitting my AW macro twice so HoW goes off right as AW is cast(so you can get 4 HoW casts off with the AW duration) , and casting zealotry right after AW ended in Zealotry I prioritize (IQ @ 1s or less > TV > Exo > CS), then normally I prioritize (IQ 3HP @ 5s or less > HoW > TV @ 3HP > Exo > CS > Judge > HW > Conc) I count HoL proc as hitting 3HP aswell.

I found that with AW duration if you dont get a HoW off right off the start of the timer you can only get 3 off, so the first macro helps with being fast, and I believe thats the time GoAK will give the greatest dps increase.

2nd macro helps casting a TV right after Zealotry so no time is wasted, and the 3rd macro just makes Aoeing easier by putting HW and conc on the same button if your running out of space for hotkeys like me.

Thats all I have to share about what I do when Dpsing.

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