Comments on: Current Retribution Paladin Role in Heroics

By: Willexan

Willexan — Thu, 23 Dec 2010 13:30:04 +0000

with average ilvl 342 still with 2 greens on me i do around 12k dps in randoms and 15k on boss.. don’t get why u are only doing only 10k max

By: Willexan

Willexan — Thu, 23 Dec 2010 13:26:03 +0000

It’s called crowd control not creature control..

By: Zero

Zero — Thu, 23 Dec 2010 04:55:54 +0000

I couldn’t have said that better myself. However, I might add the fact that our DPS suffers further with how much fatal attack dodging they added for Cataclysm heroic boss encounters. I lose a good 1k of DPS at times just keeping myself alive by dodging to stay alive and this adds up. Meanwhile our ranged friends can stay safely at a distance and keep pouring on the pain nearly effortlessly.

By: tornbeard

tornbeard — Wed, 22 Dec 2010 19:53:38 +0000

very good artical this was what i was begining to think too
with that being said this isn’t what i signed up for with a melee dps class and since the nerf i got my pally to 85 but he’s been sitting idle since then except for mining and blacksmithing maybe sometime down the line i’ll get back to him and adjust my play style for now i’m working on getting my tank gear it’s a shame i passed over a lot of good tank pieces for dps back when i had hope that blizzard would see that ret is broken seems to me the palladin developement team
cares little for what we the players who love this class have to say
imiss playing my pally he was my main and used to be a reliable dps monster

By: Sath

Sath — Fri, 17 Dec 2010 14:23:43 +0000

Personally the “F” key is my best friend…target tanks target, then when the tank needs a little extra heal hit F WoG him then F back to boss….simple but effecitve.

By: Shogan

Shogan — Fri, 17 Dec 2010 13:41:34 +0000

I have said this on the forums and I will say it again here, that given the current state of play in Cata heroics I feel that as Ret we are better off speccing for a more survivability for the moment.

As such I have changed my talents so that I am now specced into Divinity, Eternal Glory and Selfless Healer. I know what my DPS can do and where I stand on the damage meters, my preference is to be able to do more effective off healing.

Good news of sorts because Mastery actually proves to be more useful this way. The more that Hand of Light procs the more we can heal the tank and other party members, this gives us a 12% increase (with 3HP) for 10 seconds to our DPS in return. It goes some way to compensate for not using TV but if HoL procs more often then the use of WoG on someone else is negated to a greater degree.

Added to that the 30% chance that the 3HP will not be used, via Eternal Glory, we still have that 3HP to use for TV/Inquisition with the added bonus of a 12% buff to our DPS.
With Divinity thrown into the mix, incoming and outgoing heals are increased by 6%, so throughout the run that does make a big difference. Remember that the less pressure the healer is under the better their mana conservation and the groups overall survivability will be.

Once gear and other player’s stats allow for a change this is probably the more effective route. When that happens I will return to a truer DPS spec.

Side note: Set the tank as your focus target and use a focus/target macro or even grid in combination with Clique. I use both because if I have to throw out a heal to a non focused target it is far easier. I would also recommend the later for our other raid utilities, all my ‘Hands’ are bound this way.

By: Boogieknight

Boogieknight — Fri, 17 Dec 2010 00:43:40 +0000

I’ve seen mention of Word of Glory, and I have to agree that it helps out A LOT. I threw my extra talent point into the talent that allows casting WoG with no HP cost 15% of the time. It kicks in more than you think. I’ve also seen a lot of comments online that groups are taking heroics by going in with Tank, 2xheals and 2xDPS so utilizing healing helps out a lot.

Also, a note on Holy Radiance: stack it with Avenging Wrath when you can. I use it to help alleviate some of the strain on the healer in my group (Resto Druid) and it seems to heal ~700-850 per tick. Avenging Wrath increases healing done and I see a lot more 1k+ ticks on everyone. Stack the two in a macro and just keep launching hammers like you normally do. We’re still learning in my group, but these are just the small things I’m seeing. As our survivability improves (tank and heals get better stats/gear) I’m getting to where I don’t need to assist with heals as much and my DPS is getting back in line with what it should be.

By: Zim

Zim — Thu, 16 Dec 2010 23:11:54 +0000

wow Khor, I’am really impressed! Thanks! ^^ BTW, my english is really bad, feel free to change/rewrite the coment.

@Taddeous: It’s better to use it in a boss encounter, +20% str is a good boost to our dps. You can use it in large pulls too (after the 30sec the guardian dissapears and you autocast an AoE) but only if a boss encounter is not planned to occur in the next 5 mins.

Zim

By: Taddeous (Kalecgos)

Taddeous (Kalecgos) — Thu, 16 Dec 2010 22:05:53 +0000

I find myself using Word of Glory many times in encounters… especially in Tol Bard raid. Word of Glory is a life saver and sometimes we may have to give up our dps or holy power to heal ourselves to help the healers.

This may be a little off topic in regards to this blog, but when is the best time to pop Guardian of the Ancient Kings?

By: neo

neo — Thu, 16 Dec 2010 21:11:07 +0000

cant write how many times ive LoH tank when healer is oom, also pop holy radiance during aoe to help out, heroics are hard, problem is people doing heroics just cause they can que doesnt mean they are ready gear wise, alos the wrath baby attitude were if you wipe once you bad mouth everyone and leave, i did a heroic BRD took like 2 hours wiped many times but didnt matter because everyone had a relax attitude and kept trying no raging no blaming just thinking of a better strat, sure enough we finished it and it felt good. on topic my dps is anywher on mobs from last 5k, to top on some boss 11-12k greatly depends on fight and if everything falls to crap