“Lol cmon guys, i have a paladin and a warrior, and all of you saying warriors heal too much are just QQing without a reason. glyphed and talented for self heals the warrior heal does 2.52% of max health (.84% each of the next 3 hits after you use blood thirst) The other heal they have is enraged regeneration which heals for 30% of total health with a 3 min CD (affected by mastery). My paladin heals for much more than that + bubble, and LoH, and we even have seal of insight if we really need more healing. I don’t mind the 20 sec CD. TBH i use WoG much more when i go holy, but as long as they don’t increase the CD on light of dawn i’m okay with it.

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Eulogy, are you stupid or are you just a pvp idiot? It’s obvious you haven’t played a ret pally long enough or you don’t main one. In arena matches, I’ve seen rogues, warriors, and dks survive way better than a ret pally. Why? They have self healing that are usually instant and heals for quite an amount… especially when combined with what their healer tosses on them. About the LOH and bubble thing: PALADINS CAN’T USE LOH IN ARENAS AND LOH CAUSES FORBEARANCE SO YOU CAN”T BUBBLE AND LOH!!! Learn the facts about a paladin before you make stupid claims about ret pally healing.

What you’re failing to see is that warriors and rogues are not suppose to have healing abilities to match or even trump a hybrid dps such as a druid or paladin. Rogues and warriors shouldn’t even be able to heal period (other than bandages, racials, and potions). Blizzard made classes become too similar since WOTLK through Cata and it’s just becoming retarded. Lucky procs that allowed WoG procs is what currently helps a ret/prot pally survive and sets them apart from a dk, warrior, and rogue. Ret pallies are HYBRID DPS WITH HEALING CAPABILITIES and should have MORE utilities than a warrior, dk, or rogue BUT LESS sustained damage output. If blizzard wants to treat ret pallies as a pure dps, then they should improve ret pally sustained dps and give them more burst to make up for the loss in survivability and utilities.

Prot still has some staying power and still has some dps but if WoG goes to 30 second cooling I’ll play my hunter which has serious dps. I’d even play holy but they already nerfed that and a cooldown would just pretty much nuke all three specs. So unless the ret dps is hike up big time to compensate I think its gonna be pretty boring.

WoG is a useful ability for my survival as well as my partner in PVP, and it seems kinda dumb to introduce a cooldown on a holy power ability that doesn’t even need a full 3 bars of holy power to use anyway. There are times in combat where I might have to use just 2 bars to keep myself or an ally alive long enough to finish a fight, but if it’s still on cooldown from when I last use it I will still be waiting for it by the time I could get 3 bars up again, by which point we could be dead anyway. As DPS class we’re only good while we have abilities like Avenging Wrath or Zealotry up for good burst damage, once they’ve run out I’m going to need to those WoG heals to keep me going while the come off CD.

This nerf to WoG just doesn’t make any sense to me as a ret pally in PVP.

BTW WoG is the only heal we have for PvP and the fact is that we trade a powerful attack for a heal. There is just no time to cast anything else without being interrupted, CC’d or whatever. Also mana cost and heals amount is a joke. 15k from a heal when anything can hit you for at least 10k and a health pool of 130k I can’t figure out what Blizzard is thinking.

Now had the same thing happened in PvP, I prob would have used most of them to heal my Arena team but again this is very situational. The decision to heal your team or to nuke down an opponent at any given time during the fight can change in the blink of an eye. So being able to provide that utility as a DPS class is vital in those instances.

It appears to me that Blizz are keeping us in limbo. They reign in our DPS output stating they want to retain our Utility amongst the classes but when that utility proves too much to some in other areas we all suffer.

My biggest concern in the PvE environment is actually when tanking, more so HC’s as the only ‘raid’ I tank is BH. There have been numerous times when I have saved myself with a 2-3 WoG chain due to the Healer going OOM or otherwise engaged in something else due to mechanics. The addition of the WoG CD will make times like this a thing of the past. Why should my survivability through self healing suffer because of other players? (DPS are a nightmare at times)

Sometimes I wonder if Paladins will be end up with just two specs, Holy and Prot with the Ret tree being turned into an extention of either. So you would have a Prot tree with a more single target focus and one with a multiple target focus with the third for Holy. Or on the flip side, a tank healing and raid healing tree with a generic tank tree. It’s the last thing I would want to see but given recent times it sometimes feels like an inevitablity.

No matter what Blizz do Ret is just lacking, my enjoyment for the spec has been wavering and this porposed adjustment to WoG is just another change that further reduces what little we can currently offer.

@Eulogy – personally never had an issue with Warriors self healing but you have to admit that out of the plate melee classes they are by far the most mobile. All that jumping and charging about, they’re like hyperactive bulldozers

This will absolutely kill Rets for PVP. Period. As mentioned in previous posts in WOTLK we were crash dummies. It’s funny how a plate wearing self healing class could have so little survivability but it was true. Since our DPS is so stretched out time wise we have to have sustainability in the fights. WoG gives us that. The problem for Rets now is that FOL simply doesn’t a) heal enough anymore and b) you have to stop doing damage to heal. Its so disappointing to finally enjoy being relevant in PVP and know that we are about to be booted to the curb again.

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